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Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:16 pm
by Veronica Rauch
Yikes!!! I'll certainly keep this in mind for my recertification next year. Only now, I fear that everything I touch will turn to serpents, or I'll walk straight into a locust storm once I step outside. Anyone know if the IAI certificates are still bearing the "in the year of our lord" statement?
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:20 pm
by Dennis Degler
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:20 pm
by Pat A. Wertheim
Veronica Rauch wrote:I fear that everything I touch will turn to serpents, or I'll walk straight into a locust storm once I step outside.
It's not only the serpents and the locusts that accrue from failure to seek Divine guidance. One friend opined in a private email that failure to seek Divine guidance may also result in an inconclusive determination.
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:21 pm
by Pat A. Wertheim
Dennis Degler wrote:My certificate doesn't say anything about "the year of our lord", but it does have Danny Carter's signature on it.
And Danny ended up in TDC. Obviously, he neglected to obey Divine guidance.
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:26 pm
by Dennis Degler
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:29 pm
by 16_Points
George Reis wrote:Thanks for the grammar lesson 16. My daughter used to be very critical of these things. When she lived at home, I used to ask her to review my writing, and she't almost always come up with a correction or two. I recently had a conversation about grammar with a friend whose daughter has a master's degree in linguistics. She, apparently, used to also proofread his writing - which is how our conversation started. She told him that the current thinking is that, if the idea is communicated so that others understand it, then things like grammar and spelling become less relevant. Although I think she's right - I agree with you that I'd like to have all my i's dotted and t's crossed.
Back to Dennis's statement and my response - Dennis wrote:
<quote>What I find really curious is why someone who says they don't believe in God (and I have to assume this is the same as not seeking divine guidance) would have a bothered conscience by signing a paper agreeing to do something they have no intention of doing. If a person doesn't feel obligated by a divine source to do what is right, then why does the conscience bother?</quote>
When I read that, it appears to be asking about individual's ethics, not the source of the ethical code of an organization.
That said, the point you raise about the basis for an organization's code of ethics is quite valid. Since your question was rhetorical, I'll leave it at that - except to say that a rhetorical question doesn't mean that you aren't offering an answer, but that you aren't asking for one.
Ah, George, to be clear I was picking on your grammar only to be fair, as I corrected a previous poster's use (or absence) of capitalization. And, yes, a rhetorical question doesn't ask for any answers. But neither was I offering one. I meant both. It's my version of "drive by philosophy" in which I try to stoke the debate without actually participating. You caught me, George. I'll have to be more careful in the future.
In the meantime, everyone should put in an application to join The Academy.
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:29 pm
by Veronica Rauch
My IAI Crime Scene Investigator certificate I received "As witnessed on this 31st day of July in the year Of Our Lord, Two Thousand Six". Signed by Chair of the Board Dennis G. Honeycutt? and Secretary "Somebody" M Shane? Can't make out the spelling. I always thought it was a formatted template used for everyone's certificate. Something to consider as I'm shooting for a recert in 2011. Thanks a mil!
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:38 pm
by Dennis Degler
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:38 pm
by 16_Points
"In the year of Our Lord" is simply the translation of the Latin Anno Domini or AD (as in 21st Century AD). You'll find it used on certificates, diplomas, etc. It's quite common.
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:42 pm
by Pat A. Wertheim
16_Points wrote:In the meantime, everyone should put in an application to join The Academy.
And then what, seek Academy guidance?
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:54 pm
by 16_Points
Pat A. Wertheim wrote:16_Points wrote:In the meantime, everyone should put in an application to join The Academy.
And then what, seek Academy guidance?
Who's guidance do people seek now? The IAI's?
But as pointed out previously, The Academy's Code of Ethics doesn't contain the objectionable language contained in the IAI's. So if you didn't have the opportunity to vote on the Code of Ethics at the annual meeting, then you can always vote with your wallet by joining another professional society (it doesn't have to be The Academy). A mass exodus of $$$$ in the form of lost dues is a sure fire way to get the attention of the IAI Executive Board. Some may think this is a radical strategy. It may be. But everyone should remember that you have a selection of professional societies to choose from. If the IAI's Code of Ethics is objectionable and you feel that the voting process is exclusionary, you do have the option of joining a society that better reflects your professional standards.
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:46 pm
by kevin
But everyone should remember that you have a selection of professional societies to choose from. If the IAI's Code of Ethics is objectionable and you feel that the voting process is exclusionary, you do have the option of joining a society that better reflects your professional standards.
Thats it- I'm on board. Not only that - if Ross Perot runs for president again I'm voting for him....(is he still alive?)
Post the short bus somebody - lets kick this thread into high gear
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:23 pm
by Jan LeMay
I tried aetheism and frankly I just couldn't believe in it. I'm a man of faith and have been giving this issue a great deal of thought ever since it came up with the Forensic Photography/Imaging Certification Board. I don't think I'm denying my God by agreeing that this phrase does not belong in the IAI code of ethics. I think this is the scary thing about a democracy. The will of the majority being forced on the minority. 95% of the world does believe in a higher power and I guess the other 5% think we are all suffering from some mass delusion. But those of faith must not force those without to pledge to something they simply don't or won't subscribe to. I try to respect others views and won't impose my own on those who disagree with me. I think my God would approve.
I will remind you however, of the words of Albert Einstein, "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind". "The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge." "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:48 pm
by BobS
Jan,
Who is your God and why don't you ask him, her, or it what their thoughts are? You should get an answer.
Re: Code of Ethics
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:54 pm
by Jan LeMay
Well Bob, if God spoke to me I guess it wouldn't be called "faith". Faith is beleif that is not based on proof. If you want to continue this discussion let's do it outside this forum. This is not a place for religious debate.
e-mail me at
jlemay@co.weld.co.us
