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Same DNA & Fingerprints?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:52 am
by Mark
Anyone have any other information on this one?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/world ... .html?_r=1
March 19, 2009
World Briefing | Europe
Germany: Genetics Foils Forensics
By VICTOR HOMOLA
Two suspects in a heist at Germany’s largest department store have been released because they are twins whose fingerprints and DNA are indistinguishable, a court said Wednesday. The authorities have said that in the heist, in the early hours of Jan. 25, at least three burglars stole jewelry and watches valued in the millions of dollars from the store, Kaufhaus des Westens, in Berlin. A glove found at the scene led investigators to conclude that at least one of the twins, who have been identified only as Abbas and Hassan O., 27, participated in the burglary. The authorities cannot tell which one, however, and said each twin could deny involvement and accuse his brother. The police are still searching for at least one accomplice, the authorities said. None of the valuables have been recovered.
Re: Same DNA & Fingerprints?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:09 am
by digit
I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I'd love to see these prints, just to see how "indistinguishable" they really are!
Re: Same DNA & Fingerprints?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:27 am
by Pat A. Wertheim
Mark wrote:. . .twins whose fingerprints and DNA are indistinguishable. . .A glove found at the scene. . . at least one of the twins . . . The authorities cannot tell which one. . .
My guess is that the inside of the glove had fingerprints too smeared to distinguish sufficient level 2 detail for an identification, and that the twins had patterns to close to exclude at level 1.
Re: Same DNA & Fingerprints?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:04 am
by Big Wullie
So much for two prints never being the same.
Seriously, why did they not charge the two of them as my understanding if correct is there was at least three people involved.
Charge the two of them and let them sort it between themselves.
Re: Same DNA & Fingerprints?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:22 pm
by kevin
maybe they were siamese twins and shared two arms between them???
Re: Same DNA & Fingerprints?
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:44 am
by RL Tavernaro
Could the NY Times / Victor Homola possibly have gotten the facts wrong?
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/05/so-w ... ers-twins/
One of the most spectacular robberies in German history could end in an acquittal because one of the accused shares his DNA with a twin.
Last January’s multi-million-dollar heist at Berlin’s famous Kaufhaus des Westens department store had all the trappings of a big-budget action flick. Local police believe thieves climbed onto the store’s roof before carefully lowering themselves into its main hall. Once there, they broke into display cases and lifted their contents—all without setting off any motion detectors or alarms. By the time they were done, nearly $10 million worth of jewels and luxury watches were gone.
Investigators initially thought they’d cracked the case when they stumbled onto a glove at the crime scene that contained clearly identifiable DNA. Less than three weeks after the robbery, police arrested two brothers in connection with the heist. But that’s when the case got complicated. It turns out the same discarded glove that got Abbas and Hassan O. arrested could also end up being what gets them off the hook.
Abbas and Hassan are identical twins and the genetic analysis used in criminal cases in Germany can’t distinguish one’s DNA from the other’s. According to an expert interviewed by Der Tagesspiegel, “monozygotic twins can only be identified by their fingerprints,” none of which were found at the crime scene. Under German law, the suspects must be proven independently guilty of a crime to be convicted; should both insist the other committed the crime, officials fear the brothers could escape punishment altogether. Germany also limits the extent to which DNA evidence can be tested, meaning more advanced procedures that could distinguish the twins’ DNA would be inadmissible.
Research teams from around the world have been working on finding a way around the troublesome DNA quandary. But even if they succeed, at least two other issues remain: the loot, and a third suspect caught on the store’s CCTV cameras, are still nowhere to be found.
Regards, RLT
Re: Same DNA & Fingerprints?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:20 am
by David Fairhurst
Just a thought.
Is it not a leap too far to deduce that both brothers were invloved in the robbery just because they can't distinguish which one of them the DNA came from. I'm sure, as the latter article states, the brothers' defense will be that "the other brother did it".
If only one of the twins is guilty then that article should finish with stating that the loot and the other two suspects caught on CCTV are still missing.