New Experiment (just for fun)

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Dr. Borracho wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:42 am Ah, my good friend Juan - I'd know him anywhere! His right thumb, of course. They should have used this on the stamp instead of his portrait.
Since you're the only one old enough to know him so well, can you find what document this came from? Could it be from your personal collection? ;)
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His passport, of course. We traveled together many times and I had occasion to observe that print several times. No fingerprint examiner worth his salt could ever forget that unique image.
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In the 1900's, what involvement did a person by the name of Ed Condon have with the field of fingerprints?
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Who's measurements and fingerprint classification are these?
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Re: Ed Condon

Was Director of the agency that would become NIST and introduced the Applied Mathematics Division whose job it was to apply statistics to scientific measurements. So I guess we could blame him for FRStat if it was NIST grant funded :roll:

Side note: he resigned after being accused and ultimately acquitted of being a Communist.
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Boyd Baumgartner wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:48 am Re: Ed Condon

Was Director of the agency that would become NIST and introduced the Applied Mathematics Division whose job it was to apply statistics to scientific measurements.
Although he is not the Ed Condon I was looking for, he's got a pretty interesting story. And, he was the head of research and development for Corning Glass Works, whose 'gorilla glass' has been used on smart phones for years (some of which use fingerprints to access them). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Condon
Side note: he resigned after being accused and ultimately acquitted of being a Communist.
I guess when powerful politicians don't understand science, and it contradicts the things that keep them powerful, the scientist become the target.

However, the Ed Condon that I'm looking for had his contribution a bit earlier than the National Bureau of Standards (NIST) Ed Condon. A couple of small clues; Wednesday would be a good day to post the answer, and unbeknownst to him he was taking fingerprint comparison to another level.
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josher89 wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:32 pm Who's measurements and fingerprint classification are these?
Well, I think I know who they belong to, but I haven't found the associated image that you used.

What I'm missing is the associated Henry Classification to go along with the other numbers. I'll let it linger for others to search out.
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Steve Everist wrote: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:03 am
Boyd Baumgartner wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:48 am Re: Ed Condon

Was Director of the agency that would become NIST and introduced the Applied Mathematics Division whose job it was to apply statistics to scientific measurements.
Although he is not the Ed Condon I was looking for, he's got a pretty interesting story. And, he was the head of research and development for Corning Glass Works, whose 'gorilla glass' has been used on smart phones for years (some of which use fingerprints to access them). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Condon
Side note: he resigned after being accused and ultimately acquitted of being a Communist.
I guess when powerful politicians don't understand science, and it contradicts the things that keep them powerful, the scientist become the target.

However, the Ed Condon that I'm looking for had his contribution a bit earlier than the National Bureau of Standards (NIST) Ed Condon. A couple of small clues; Wednesday would be a good day to post the answer, and unbeknownst to him he was taking fingerprint comparison to another level.
As it turns out, Boyd... you are correct. After reading more of his Wikipedia page, I found this:
Edward Uhler Condon was born on March 2, 1902, in Alamogordo, New Mexico, to William Edward Condon and Carolyn Uhler. His father was supervising the construction of a narrow-gauge railroad,[4][5] many of which were built in the area by logging companies. After graduating from high school in Oakland, California in 1918, he worked as a journalist for three years at the Oakland Inquirer and other papers.[4]
On September 12, 1920 he wrote an article for the Oakland Tribune: https://newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tr ... -1920-p-3/
In this article he discussed moving towards poroscopy, among other things.

And here's the screen capture from the page (which may allow you to read it for a limited time prior to subscription):
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Here's another hint...A REALLY BIG HINT!!!
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Look at the bottom of the last image I posted. Where were the impressions taken at?
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I haven't seen the image you have above, but when searching out the West's classifications I found Williams to be similar. However, there were a few discrepancies. The images I found have a 1 in front of a couple of measurements (maybe they're implied in yours?), and a "W" instead of a "M":
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I had to compress the heck out of it but I think it'll display. I got this image from a collection at Cornell U. when I was doing research on H. DeForrest.

Even the Bertillion measurements that were taken were different (depending on who took them) so it helps illustrate what we already know--fingerprints are better!
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It's time again. Guesses as to who's prints these are?
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Lee Harvey Oswald accused assassin of President John F Kennedy, Novembr 1963
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It's weird he will never be known as the convicted assassin of JFK...thanks to Rubenstein.
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