Evid. Admisibility Hearing
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:44 am
My question is for Mr. Pat Wertheim dealing with a statement Dr. Simon Cole seems to use several times within his testimony at the Admissibility Hearing you attended.
First, to give you a thimble view of my experience and who I might be - I've been involved with latent fingerprints since 1970. I've attended most schools offered within that field for my 35-year career. I've been certified since 1978 and am still working within the field at a local police department. I have taught at two college campuses on fingerprints and evidence collection for about 5 years. So I believe I have some sort of an idea what fingerprints are about.
So, what does Dr. Cole mean by his statement of "individualization"?
I've been to schools that teach "Friction ridge skin", "Ridgeology", "ACE-V", "positive/erroneous identifications", "minutiae" and many other terminologies used in fingerprinting over the past 35 years, but can't remember ever using the term "individualization" when dealing with fingerprints.
Now I understand we all have "individualization" by our uniqueness of being different, our looks, our hair, our eyes, our names and family origin; but "individualization" as used by Simon Cole seems to be some sort of smoke screen that is now being used just to show that he is some great author of a book he wants everyone to buy and use as a reference! (At least that's how it looks to me)
Please forgive me, I don't want to seem to come across as a negative person, I just get upset when people attack the system of fingerprints instead of the people who make the mistakes.
People are human, people make mistakes, and some even go overboard by letting their ego get in the way of justice. It's my opinion we should be more educated within the field of fingerprints, and when we go upon the stand to testify, we should have a fairly good understanding of all aspects to the study. I believe the person on the stand should be tested and found to be either competent or incompetent as an examiner, but not the system of fingerprints.
If ever there are two fingerprints found to be the same by two different individuals, I can only pray that it's me who finds them. I will then quit working for the prosecution and go to work for the defense.
If you can please enlighten me.
Paul R.
First, to give you a thimble view of my experience and who I might be - I've been involved with latent fingerprints since 1970. I've attended most schools offered within that field for my 35-year career. I've been certified since 1978 and am still working within the field at a local police department. I have taught at two college campuses on fingerprints and evidence collection for about 5 years. So I believe I have some sort of an idea what fingerprints are about.
So, what does Dr. Cole mean by his statement of "individualization"?
I've been to schools that teach "Friction ridge skin", "Ridgeology", "ACE-V", "positive/erroneous identifications", "minutiae" and many other terminologies used in fingerprinting over the past 35 years, but can't remember ever using the term "individualization" when dealing with fingerprints.
Now I understand we all have "individualization" by our uniqueness of being different, our looks, our hair, our eyes, our names and family origin; but "individualization" as used by Simon Cole seems to be some sort of smoke screen that is now being used just to show that he is some great author of a book he wants everyone to buy and use as a reference! (At least that's how it looks to me)
Please forgive me, I don't want to seem to come across as a negative person, I just get upset when people attack the system of fingerprints instead of the people who make the mistakes.
People are human, people make mistakes, and some even go overboard by letting their ego get in the way of justice. It's my opinion we should be more educated within the field of fingerprints, and when we go upon the stand to testify, we should have a fairly good understanding of all aspects to the study. I believe the person on the stand should be tested and found to be either competent or incompetent as an examiner, but not the system of fingerprints.
If ever there are two fingerprints found to be the same by two different individuals, I can only pray that it's me who finds them. I will then quit working for the prosecution and go to work for the defense.
If you can please enlighten me.
Paul R.