Interesting Patterns

Ann Horsman · Post by **Ann Horsman** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:12 am

Ridge detail from a baboon.

sharon cook · Post by **sharon cook** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:45 pm

Yeah, I knew they'd get my ex-husband for something sooner or later.

David Fairhurst · Post by **David Fairhurst** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:36 am

This probably sounds like a silly question but...

Is that a hand or a foot?

Now a more intelligent question...

Do you know what species of baboon it is?

Ann Horsman · Post by **Ann Horsman** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:41 pm

David,

That is a right front paw, they are four legged creatures for a mode of travel. It is a dog (male) Chacma baboon. Baboons are monkeys and not apes, yes, there is a difference.

Sharon - Ouch!

mdavis · Post by **mdavis** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:15 am

I can't see the "fingerprint" patterns, but the palm sure blows Ron Smith's pattern recognition tips into the weeds!

Heidi Fraser · Post by **Heidi Fraser** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:11 am

Lol... so if you've had Ron's class and still can't orient the print, it must be a baboon?

I'll have to keep that in mind on my next CTS test...

Steve Everist · Post by **Steve Everist** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:36 am

Here's one from an old article:

Here's a link to the hi-res PDF of the article (I only have one page):
http://www.mediafire.com/?1jzrjutmqna

Alan C · Post by **Alan C** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:54 am

Looking at those two hands/paws, I see there are a lot of similarities in ridge flow. And of course the shape of the hand is similar, not to mention very different from mine or yours. Well, I guess I can only speak for myself.

David Johnson · Post by **David Johnson** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:14 am

Whipple and Wilder have some reasearch on different animals and their fingerprint patterns.

Interesting, but unless we get called out to a zoo prob. wont run into it to much.

sharon cook · Post by **sharon cook** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:58 pm

Most of the subjects we identify ARE baboons, I think. I wonder if the placement of the volar pads and the positions of the hands/paws during gestation is different than us? I think baboons have an extra volar pad low down on the palm, don't they?

Anyway, the next time you get one of those long, narrow palmprints with a lot of weird ridge flow...you know that one didn't get very far up the evolutionary ladder...........and speaking of O.J...

Oh, no you didn't!

gerritvolckeryck · Post by **gerritvolckeryck** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:07 am

In 1937, a gentleman named Mutrux-Bornoz, H., published a book called "Les troublantes révélations de l'empreinte digitale et palmaire" on his research concerning apes' (or baboons, whatever) finger- and palmprints.

In the 20's Locard reported about a case in which a trained little monkey-thief was identified through his fingerprints.

Got some pictures, if anyone's interested.

Gerrit

Ann Horsman · Post by **Ann Horsman** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:05 am

gerritvolckeryck wrote: In the 20's Locard reported about a case in which a trained little monkey-thief was identified through his fingerprints.

Gerrit

Hmm, so primate fingerprints could be of value? That would make an interesting AFIS database.

Justice Pie · Post by **Justice Pie** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:53 am

sharon cook wrote:Most of the subjects we identify ARE baboons, I think. I wonder if the placement of the volar pads and the positions of the hands/paws during gestation is different than us? I think baboons have an extra volar pad low down on the palm, don't they?

Is it redundant and safe to say that evolutionary wise, the form of locomotion might have a direct cause and effect on the development of extra volar pads? The baboons, commonly being quadrapeds would need that extra pad?

The top photo of the baboon's palm shows wear consistent with (a) mason(ry)...?

mdavis · Post by **mdavis** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:16 pm

The mostly circular patterns would suggest friction necessary in all directions, something that we don't rely on with our palms. I haven't read the articles cited above (thanks, guys), but the utility of such whorls on the volar pads is very interesting.

Ann Horsman · Post by **Ann Horsman** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:55 am

I think the elongated pisiform in the baboon's hand creates the 'heel' and possibly an extra volar pad.

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