"Death Valley" ranch of Charles Manson

Pat A. Wertheim · Post by **Pat A. Wertheim** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:23 pm

In the news today is the current dig going on at the Manson Ranch in Death Valley for more reported victims of Charles Manson and the Family. Two members of the dig team are Charles Illsley and Mike Grimm, both of whom will be well known to many readers of this forum. Imagine the fun they are having at 110 degress in the Death Valley summer digging for bodies!

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 3278.story

Ann Horsman · Post by **Ann Horsman** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:22 am

Why did they wait for summer to conduct this job? Gluttons for punishment?

H. B. James · Post by **H. B. James** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:38 am

Well, you know how these things are. They wanted to recover the bodies before decomp got any worse.

Pat A. Wertheim · Post by **Pat A. Wertheim** » Wed May 21, 2008 6:52 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQLNCCvZIng

Charles is recognizable in this clip, although his beard has turned gray. All his old friends will be happy to see him out and about and up to his old ways.

Uh, . . . that's Charles Illsley. Granted, he looks a lot like Charles Manson, or did when his hair and beard were black like Manson's. But the clue that it is Charles Illsley in this film clip lies in past reliable reports that Charles Manson is dead. Of course, you never can be too sure. Maybe we should get fingerprints of the guy in the film clip posing as Illsley.

sharon cook · Post by **sharon cook** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:35 am

Did I miss something? Charles Manson was still alive the last time I checked. They keep TRYING to kill him, but he's like The Thing That Wouldn't Die in horror films. And speaking of horror...how much money do you suppose the taxpayers of California have pissed away on those people over the last 40 years?

Pat A. Wertheim · Post by **Pat A. Wertheim** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:51 am

You're probably right, Sharon. And if so, then we REALLY need to check the fingerprints of the gray-bearded guy with sunglasses. I'll tell you what, assign the task of determining Manson's status as an organism to Dennis. Maybe he can do some work on the relationship between Illsley and Manson, too. Give him something useful to do, for a change. He's been way too busy with those forged Pollocks.

H. B. James · Post by **H. B. James** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:56 am

Sharon's right, Pat. According to the most recent newspaper article on google-news, "Manson is serving a life sentence at Corcoran State Prison." Shame on you for not reading the articles!

By the way, I wonder if Manson would talk? Has anybody asked him? Or has he clammed up totally?

Pat A. Wertheim · Post by **Pat A. Wertheim** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:58 am

H. B. James wrote:Sharon's right, Pat. According to the most recent newspaper article on google-news, "Manson is serving a life sentence at Corcoran State Prison." Shame on you for not reading the articles!

My bad.

Steve Everist · Post by **Steve Everist** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:31 pm

It looks like the dig is over:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080522/ap_ ... nson_ranch

richard.dodge · Post by **richard.dodge** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:31 pm

I had the opportunity to work with Arpad Vass at the body farm. If he says there are no bodies, there are no bodies.